Robert Ray has served as head of the Office of Independent Counsel, as well as one of Fmr. President Trump’s impeachment lawyers. Amid the January 6 hearings, he joins MSNBC’s Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber to discuss key witness testimony and the role of Trump lawyer John Eastman — including new evidence that Eastman requested to be put on a presidential pardon list. Ray tells Melber, “As a lawyer, you try to navigate along the lines of never doing anything that would get you disbarred, never have to take the Fifth Amendment, and I think probably the parallel… is never do anything for which you would have to seek pardon.”
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